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Sunday, July 9, 2017

Constructor: Will Nediger

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium



THEME: "First for Knowledge" — "Th" sounds turned to "F" sounds; yes, that is it.

Theme answers:
  • FREEZE A CROWD (24A: Make lots of people stop in their tracks?)
  • CHEAP FRILLS (42A: Unnecessary extras that don't cost much?)
  • FELONIOUS MONK (63A: Brother who's a criminal?)
  • MIFF BUSTERS (86A: Annoy actors Keaton and Crabbe?)
  • SECURITY FRET (105A: Safety worry?)
  • SIX CHARACTERS IN / SEARCH OF AN OFFER (3D: With 44-Down, half-dozen real estate agents?)
Word of the Day: "SIX CHARACTERS IN SEARCH OF AN Author" (3D/44D) —
Six Characters in Search of an Author (Italian: Sei personaggi in cerca d'autore [ˈsɛi persoˈnaddʒi in ˈtʃerka dauˈtoːre]) is an Italian play by Luigi Pirandello, written and first performed in 1921. An absurdist metatheatrical play about the relationship among authors, their characters, and theatre practitioners, it premiered at the Teatro Valle in Rome to a mixed reception, with shouts from the audience of "Manicomio!" ("Madhouse!") and "Incommensurabile!" ("Incommensurable!"), a reference to the play's illogical progression. Reception improved at subsequent performances, especially after Pirandello provided for the play's third edition, published in 1925, a foreword clarifying its structure and ideas. // The play had its American premiere in 1922 on Broadway at the Princess Theatre and was performed for over a year off-Broadway at the Martinique Theatre beginning in 1963. (wikipedia)
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It pains me that the Sunday puzzle can get away with this kind of tepid, dad-humor, change-a-sound theme in 2017. It's the marquee puzzle of the week—pays 3x what a daily pays—and we get this. It's not badly made, it's just conceptually dry and bland. The answers aren't funny, the clues aren't funny, and the punchline / showstopper themer (30 letters long) absolutely fizzles right at the very end–right in the bottom right corner, right in the last word. The wacky word is ... OFFER. [cough] [tumbleweeds]. Nevermind that I've never heard of "Six Characters in / Search of an Author." Let's just say that's on me, Philistine that I am. Still, though, to have these sound-change "jokes" be sooo tepid ... it's really disappointing. CHEAP FRILLS doesn't reorient the phrase, tone-wise, enough to be funny. FELONIOUS MONK was probably clever a decade or two ago, before an actual comedian-type person took Felonious Munk as his stage name, before &$^%ing "CSI" made "FELONIOUS MONK" the title of one of its episodes. It's an old pun, is what I'm saying. FRET really doesn't land as a noun in SECURITY FRET. Over and over, the spark and humor and zing just aren't there.


As for difficulty, there was some. Felt like I got stuck a bunch, but then I hit a blistering pace toward the end, and finished with a slightly below-average time. Actually, maybe it is average. Maybe 10 and change is my average Sunday now. I should keep track of times for a few months and see where I am with my speeds. Slow start because [Flat, e.g.] was a tough clue for SHOE and also I wanted LETHALITY real bad at 23A: Deadliness (TOXICITY), nevermind that it didn't fit. MORNAY I've seen but forgot. EAR DROP sounds fake as hell. Could not figure out what Judd Apatow comedies were supposed to be like (BAWDY). Considered OH, WOW for a hot second. Spelled CRONOS thusly and so really didn't see KEFIR (which I barely know of anyway) (74D: Yogurtlike beverage). The clue on CAMEL is insultingly wrong and terrible. CAMELs have humps, not lumps. God, that kind of failed cutesiness is destructive. Rage-inducing. Clue should've had a "?" at a minimum (I mean, beyond the one it's already got for interrogative purposes). Ugh. ORKNEY is one of my most-want-to-go-to-there places, so I enjoyed seeing it here (92A: Scotland's ___ Islands), but honestly I didn't enjoy much else.


I was gonna write about a *certain* ice cream flavor that was clued (erroneously, imho) as "popular" in a recent puzzle, a flavor that I challenged people to seek out at their local ice cream parlors. I asked for people to send me photos of this experience—the success, the failure, the outright refusal to eat said flavor. But I realized that this (Sunday) puzzle will go into syndication before the ice cream puzzle gets syndicated, and I didn't want to spoil things too much. So I'll post my ice cream findings (and your pics) on Thursday (the one-week anniversary of the offending clue). Meanwhile, please continue to seek out the ice cream flavor in question, and send any pics of your adventures my way. I've got pics from France! Video from Sweden! Disappointed / disgusted supermarket selfies! Can't wait to share.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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130 comments:

Joe Dipinto 12:19 AM  

84a - "So Bilbo, where are you travelliing?" "Afar." "And how will you get there?" "Afar."

Anonymous 12:25 AM  

Wanted BAnal for the Apatow oeuvre. Har.

Trombone Tom 1:45 AM  

Hand up for BAnal on Apatow!

Nothing much to add to OFL's comments. I found the theme somewhat more entertaining than @Rex did, but old age mellows one. MIFF BUSTERS was funny.

And thanks for the Monk. Always a pleasure to listen to the master.

Larry Gilstrap 3:23 AM  

Long, busy day under very warm conditions. My experience solving was neither a MAD DASH or a slog, but finished and will leave it to the rest of you to discuss the relative merit of the themers. Looking at the title, I was primed to discover words with a silent "K" or some such. Overall, liked it better than OFL.

It's late and I'm pooped, so indulge me a quibble or two. Paleontologists, and I know more than a few, seek and find fossils. Fossils and bones are certainly not synonymous. If someone was digging around and found a bone, would that be a paleontological discovery, a midden, or a crime scene? Discuss.

I have heard the idiomatic phrase, "IS IT just ME?", but the answer to 112A is a stretch as clued. Even that traitor Judas Iscariot is quoted as saying, "Master, is it I?" A pronoun following a linking verb should be in the nominative case, at least in an ideal world.

Ever see an ANGELENO wearing SNEAKERS? I don't own a lawn, so feel free to loiter on the gravel.

Larry Gilstrap 3:27 AM  

Oops, I just posted something about grammar and now expect to be taken down by some whippersnapper, Hi @Loren. Have at it!

jae 3:43 AM  

Easy-medium for me too (had some problems in the EAR DROP area).

Like @Larry & Trombone, liked it more than @Rex did. Mildly amusing with a little crunch is not a bad Sun.

Andrew Heinegg 3:46 AM  

I know diddly squat about paleontology but, my reaction to the paleontologist being a bone finder was that it was a stretch. Are some bones fossils? Of course; And, when a paleontologist finds a bone that is also a fossil, does that make the paleontologist a bone finder? Well, for those times, literally yes butttt, I found this to be a kind of unintentional crossword mislead that was not a 'good' mislead. And, BTW, what do paleontologists discuss when they are socializing besides fossils?

I shouldn't be quite so flippant. Despite not knowing anything about it myself, I consider paleontology a very useful and important science just as I do climatology. Oh, never mind. It's not important anymore.

Theodore Stamos 4:08 AM  

Steve Jobs and Wozniak were ENTREPRENEURS, Tim Cook is just a competent executive. Big difference

Tom Bombadil 5:01 AM  


Roads go ever ever on,
Over rock and under tree,
By caves where never sun has shone,
By streams that never find the sea;
Over snow by winter sown,
And through the merry flowers of June,
Over grass and over stone,
And under mountains in the moon.


Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star,
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.

Anonymous 5:38 AM  

Unlike Rex, I thought the Pirandello pun was the best thing in the puzzle. The other themes were mild at best. My main objection was that the title totally gave away the theme. As soon as I saw "first for knowledge" I thought, oh, it's going to be F for TH substitution. And, guess what - it was! So very little satisfaction in "discovering" the themes.

Anonymous 6:04 AM  

Glad I'm not a dick.

'mericans in Paris 6:19 AM  

We rate this puzzle easy. Got AMANA as the first answer, then worked south-westwards, then filled in the SE and finally the NW. DNF, however, because we had an ERROR at 20A and 5D: ENTERed CHIPbUNK and AbC. I guess we FAIL AT television clues.

Overall, however, we enjoyed the puzzle more than OFL did. FELONIOUS MONK was new to us, so that answer made us chuckle. We did scratch our heads over SIX CHARACTERS ... OFFER, and wondered how ... AN OthER would make sense in that phrase. So thanks for the explanation, @REX!

We agree that several of the clues were just off. We don't have a BONE to chew with the clue for 103A, but did not like the one for 23A. TOXICITY does not equal "deadliness". Wikipedia's concise definition is pretty CLEAR on that: "TOXICITY is the degree to which a substance can damage an organism." Lots of things can be TOXIC but not deadly. Or, from the other direction, drink enough water in a short amount of time and you can die; but that doesn't make water intrinsically "TOXIC".

NICE to see not just one but two Scottish locales appear in the puzzle (SKYE and ORKNEY). We haven't made it to the ORKNEY Islands yet, but visited SKYE three years ago. Beautiful! In just a few minutes the sky there can change from CLEAR to HAZY and back.

Before there were any other letters crossing it, my first guess for 36D was Trump's favorite celebrity perk. ECCE HOMO. (Be AFRAID, be very AFRAID.)

Perhaps the best precaution against a personal SECURITY FRET is to don BAWDY armor? Even better, of course, is to A ... FIRE the cad.

DEW unto OthERs as they would DEW unto ewe.

Hungry Mother 6:28 AM  

Medium here. Cute theme and fun to do.

Lewis 6:48 AM  

Some very nice answers: ASSUAGES, TOXICITY, MAD_DASH, UNEARTH. And a theme that I found inspiring:
* Big house for rats -- Fink tank.
* Astaire in the shower -- Fred bare.
* Bacchanalia for liberated hounds -- Free dog night.
* Why you can see a shark -- Fin on top.

Gorelick 6:51 AM  

Tonstant Weader fwowed up

BarbieBarbie 7:19 AM  

@Gorelick, funny, I was just thinking of Milne, mostly because in my reading career the Bombadil songs played just like Pooh's: something to skip over and get back to the story. Weird coincidence. Have to admit I wasn't thinking of Parker.

@Larry, pretty sure Judas didn't speak English, so it was some Jacobian prof who said that. But I agree about grammar-but still use the common phrase, as all women of a certain age do, sooner or later.

@Lewis, great ones!! Fred bare made me spit out my coffee.

Somehow on the right wavelength for today's constructor, Easy for me, half my usual time (though at least twice Rex's). It felt balanced, but when I reviewed it, it seemed to tilt old, with HIFIS and ORKAN and the like. SRO seems Maleskan. EARDROP is not a thing in my book. A pendant can have a teardrop shape. You can wear drop earrings. They aren't eardrops. In my neck of the woods, anyway.

The long themer was there in my brain, so I'm pretty sure it's not too esoteric.

The clue on DISCS was a nice misdirect. The clue on MONK was a little tone-deaf. Har.

BarbieBarbie 7:23 AM  

Forgot to say: loved DEET's clue, and also loved putting ECCEHOMO by SPACEX.

chefbea 7:26 AM  

Liked the puzzle once I figured out the theme. Had to google a bit. Thought camels had humps...not lumps

And fennel is not an herb..its seeds are but fennel is a vegetable,,,you can eat it it chopped in a salad, grill it etc.

TokyoRacer 7:33 AM  

Agree with Rex (as always) and want to add that the theme itself was poor. "First for Knowledge" doesn't mean anything. Why not something like...Fair You Are (There You Are). That at least means something and took me five seconds to think up. Imagine if Will Shortz had spent a whole minute or two thinking about it....

Anonymous 7:33 AM  

I can't agree with the comments on toxicity. In the medical world, we are always talking about how likely something will cause death---how toxic it is. Yes, you can find some definitions that may suggest otherwise, but when someone says something is toxic, they mean it is deadly. I liked the Felonious Monk as I was unaware of the comedian and other use Rex mentioned. I had not heard of the play. I thought paleontologists might find a link (to our ancestors).

OTD 7:33 AM  

Pretty much what Rex said. Agree with Trombone Tom ala the Monk. His wife called him "Melodious Thunk," which I always enjoyed. As a young'un I couldn't get enough of his wonderful piano.

QuasiMojo 7:35 AM  

I am constantly amazed by what OFL claims to not know. Never heard of Pirandello's play? And you teach literature? I am beginning to suspect you are just putting on this Philistine act as Rex Parker, rather than as your real name. It boggles the mind.

Sadly this puzzle did not. I sailed through it, without a chuckle. But I didn't think it was as bad as Rex made it out to be. In fact, I thought Felonious Monk was well-clued. Did not like Miff Busters so much, although I can't complain about being reminded of Buster Crabbe.

I had AROMA before PROMO since the former is used a lot lately as a bakery "teaser." That made Kronos hard to see at first.

One thing that did make me chuckle was putting in LARA for the stash hunter, then changing it to NARC, and then finding LARA later on as Zhivago's love. Now that's a theme!

pmdm 7:42 AM  

There was a Twilight Zone Christmas episode titled Five Characters in Search of an Exit, which helped me figure out the title of the original play Serling based his title on. Sterling's title was a combination of the altered title of the French play and a work by Satre.

Humor is subjective. Puns are puns. I found them funny, Because a person doesn't like them doesn't make them not funny.

P. S. I wonder how many people who disparage run raisin ice cream have never even tasted it. At least those who dislike today's puns had to read them to form an opinion.

Since a jazz pianist made it into today's puzzle, too bad Kronos wasn't clued as the name of a Grammy winning string quartet.

Glimmerglass 8:02 AM  

Nice to see the Munk brothers (Chip and Felonius) together again. One doesn't often see them together. I agree with @Rex that the theme is lame today, and I like puns (usually).

Adam Frank 8:14 AM  

I enjoyed the puzzle more than @Rex. Like pmdm, I found the puns enjoyable. However, I've had rum raisin ice cream and won't again.

katherine catmull 8:42 AM  

My favorite bit of cluing was for SPELT, that was nice and sly.

Anonymous 8:45 AM  

Note to Rex Parker: Spark, humor and zing have absolutely nothing whatever to do with the quality of a crossword puzzle.

Brian 9:01 AM  

Pays 3x? 21x21/15/15 = 1.96 =2x. Or is that not what you mean? If I adjust my Sunday time by 'this factor it equates to a Wednesday.

Anonymous 9:13 AM  

"Dad-humor" in a pejorative sense? In this day and age when we're required to take offense at every possible opportunity, should I be offended by this blatantly anti-dad remark? Should I organize some dads and march on Washington? Should I blame it all on Rex colluding with Trump and the Russians? I'm not sure, so let me just declare that if I ought to be offended by this then I am. Otherwise, never mind.

Nancy 9:16 AM  

As soon as I saw the title, I knew exactly what the gimmick would be. So that once I had SIX CHARACTERS IN..., I went looking for SEARCH OF AN OFFER. 44D did not disappoint. A lovely pun -- the best in the puzzle, I fought, Rex. Though FREEZE A CROWD is pretty great, too.

Look, the pun haters are always going to hate puns. But I, for one, like puns. And I especially liked these. Plus the fact that the rest of the puzzle offered enough resistance to make it interesting. And there was some nice fill: TOXICITY; MAD DASH; SKEWERED; ECCE HOMO; FINAGLE.

Question on 32D: Why would people "sit impatiently" through the OPENER of a concert? What's the problem with the OPENER? Can't it be one of the strongest things in the concert? I don't get this clue/answer.

Darren Woods 9:17 AM  

That was the worst Sunday in recent memory. The clues were obtuse and the whole puzzle just not fun. AGGGGG. What a way to start the week.

Anonymous 9:21 AM  

Nancy, I think they're talking about rock concerts where some crummy local band opens for the big name you really came to see.

Nancy 9:42 AM  

Thank you, Anon 9:21. That explains it. I've never been to a rock concert -- I avoid them like the plague -- so I didn't know that "crummy local bands" often open for the big names you came to see. Another terrific reason to avoid them, methinks.

The main reason, of course, is to safeguard your hearing. I've been told, more than once, that I "hear like a dog." Certainly, I'd stack the acuity of my hearing against most people 60 years younger than me. (Hi, @BarbieBarbie; I, too, have caved.) Avoiding rock concerts is one of the main reasons, I'm quite sure, why my hearing remains so good.

Dan Steele 9:59 AM  

There's inevitably somebody who whines about having to sit through an opening act.

evil doug 10:01 AM  

I avoid cliches like the plague....

GILL I. 10:03 AM  

My thoughts as I was tooling along were that Will Nediger put a lot of effort into his puzzle. There was really very little crud and his cluing was rather fun.
I've heard of EARDROP pendants. They are those huge earrings that make your lobes droop. I wonder what you call those little drums that you shove in the pierced area of your ear. How do you get such a big hole? Does it hurt? Why?
The leaves of the FENNEL (Hi @Mohair) make up the herb. Be careful drinking absinthe, it causes you to hallucinate.
I was going to ask how one escorting is a GOIDER. I just realized it's GUIDER and that CHIPMUNK doesn't have an O.
California is burning. First floods, then killer heat wave and now smoke dusting our sky. I wish Governor Moon Beam Brown would do something about this.

DL 10:09 AM  

Shout out for the Twilight Zone! That was also my reference.

I liked today's puzzle. It felt a little easy but I welcomed it after last week's struggle. I'm ready for some rum raisin fro yo.

Teedmn 10:15 AM  

I didn't read the title of the puzzle until after FELONIOUS MONK made its appearance so no spoilers here. Since I used @r.alphbunker's randomization function to solve online, it took me a while to even get footholds on this. NICE was my first entry, and nicely clued as "Annotation on Santa's list". Here's my solution, if anyone wants to see how the randomization works.

I never tire of sound substitution/pun puzzles so this worked for me. I liked FREEZE A CROWD, MIFF BUSTERS and the MONK theme. And I must have heard the Pirandello title somewhere because I wasn't scratching my head after the 3D-44D was revealed but I wouldn't have been able to tell you what it was (a play) or where I'd heard of it. And since I SPELT ANGELiNO wrong initially, guessing OFFER saved me from a DNF.

BEVEL - I learned what that meant in a practical sense when I was a senior in high school. Some local guy in town wanted to build a geodesic dome but didn't know where to start. He approached our math teacher who gave it to her pre-calc class as a problem to solve. We broke into groups, using different shapes, with basic footprint specs given. I was in the hexagonal group. We realized early on that the pieces framing the hexagons had to be BEVELed in order to form a dome. I think we were successful in our designing but I wouldn't be able to do it today, I don't think.

@M&A, @Rex has just discovered the ?? clue, har!

WN, nice Sunday entertainment, thanks.

Norm 10:15 AM  

Another solver who found this a pleasant puzzle that generated quite a few smiles.

Craig Percy 10:18 AM  

Liked it. Cute puns.

Two Ponies 10:24 AM  

It feels like I did a different puzzle than Rex did.
I had fun, liked the puns, and enjoyed some new clues for old answers such as ion, Ararat, and Amana.
Finagle and swanky are great words.

Lots of hay being baled around me right now keeping my cat busy chasing the displaced mice.


@ Tom Bombadil, Thanks for dropping in from Middle Earth to share that lovely verse.

jberg 10:42 AM  

Started hard, finished easy. AMANA was my first answer, and working the crosses got me to SPELT with the NW and SE still blank; but I got the theme with CHEAP FRILLS, so once I had enough in the SE to see OFFER I could put in the whole play title, which gave me a tremendous start in theNW. I was still slowed down by SHalom before SHOLMO, though. But TRIREME gave me CAMEL, and the light dawned.

Some old friends here, like SATIE and ODETS (though no INGE or ROREM), and the nice RELIT REFIT combo.

I thought SIX CHARACTERS IN SEARCH OF AN OFFER was a lot of theme squares to get from just one pun, but then the pun is horrible enough to merit it, I guess. I did like them.

@Brian, when @Rex says 'pays 3x' he means pays literally -- what the constructor is paid for a Sunday as compared to a daily puzzle.

Z 10:47 AM  

For some reason my first thought at the Apatow clue was "puerile." Har.

BRA with no cup reference? How outre.

I'm sitting here enjoying Cary Ewles second best movie, Robin Hood: Men in Tights, so who am I to complain about simplistic sound substitution Sunday puzzles. The puns weren't groan inducing, maybe a little more work on the cluing might have helped. For me it's go absurdist or go home. Still, hardly the "worst Sunday ever."

@Theodore Stamos - Yep. Same with all the know-nothings who make money the old fashioned way, inheriting it.

Z 10:49 AM  

That's Elwes- I've no idea why my iPad thinks "Ewles" is a correction.

Tony 10:50 AM  

Hi, all. I'm the newbie. This is just the second Sunday puzzle I've done. I'd rate it really, really tough (but not as bad as the first). I was up most of the night working on it. Never heard of "newel." Live and learn. "Bae"? I thought Breaking Bad was on HBO and therefore was sure relieves had something to do with ____Help. (Another lesson: If it doesn't work, let it go.) I gave a long low whistle when I discovered the theme, but I guess you're used to what strikes me as extraordinary cleverness (though I admit FeloniousMonk is pretty tired).

Hartley70 10:56 AM  

I found this a perfectly fine Sunday puzzle. It was certainly on the easy side but suitable for all solving levels except the super elite who find Saturday a walk in the park. I see this as a kick back and relax sort of Sunday.

The puns were cute enough and I agree with @Nancy as to the better themers. I got OPENER but I had no idea what Pontius Pilate cried. I remember the crowd answered to give them Barrabas. That's my Sunday School thought for today. Amen.

Birchbark 11:02 AM  

ECCE HOMO is a recurring theme that might mark the passage of time in a life. I first heard it in 7th or 8th grade, listening to an old Monty Python LP over and over. The phrase there, uttered by a cultured John Cleese character, is "ECCE HOMO, ergo Elk." Didn't know what it meant, but hilarious any way. Then, in college and grad school, one of Nietzsche's last works, "ECCE HOMO." It has great chapter titles: "Why I am so Wise," "Why I am so Clever," "Why I write such Good Books," "Why I am a Destiny." Not entirely balanced, but more fun to read than most philosophy. Now in later middle age, it returns alongside the Dad-humor I chuckled through this morning, in its original Pilate episode, and makes sense.

I found the ice cream and loved it, a cooling balm after watching the Twins lose to the Orioles on sunny day in Minnesota.

Betty Danger 11:07 AM  

Any puzzle that manages to work in Pirandello's play is a hit with me. And I agree that someone who teaches English at the college level has to have heard of it--Rex is just funning us with his dad humor.

GHarris 11:17 AM  

Rex had to stop and think a few times and still finished in just over 10 minutes. I worked it out on paper (took close to an hour).Then I entered the answers I had already gotten digitally. Just doing that took over 11 minutes. I don't try to speed solve, not important to me, so I just can't fathom how some, like Rex can complete the puzzle so quickly.

Lewis 11:18 AM  

Has anyone here ever said GUIDER instead of simply "guide"?

Stuart Showalter 11:21 AM  

The only reason I read Rex's screeds is to see how many things he can find to whine about. Yeah, this wasn't the world's most interesting puzzle and it didn't suit the World's Foremost Puzzle Authority (you know who I mean), but it was perfectly fine. Get over yourself, Rex!

More Whit 11:29 AM  

One of my favorite characters in Lord of the Rings, and one I wish I could channel more often...living apart from the one ring that in the darkness binds them.

old timer 11:31 AM  

You newbies will soon learn that OFL has Absolutely. No. Sense. Of. Humor. (And, OFL means Our Fearless Leader, i.e., @Rex.)

Sundays are often a slog for me, and I was delighted by each of the puns as I found them. Finished as I usually do where others begin, in the NW. Took me a long time to get CHARACTERS so that's what I finished with. Meh! I said to myself. Then I mentally changed OFFER to "author" and a laughed out loud. Anytime I finish a Sunday with a smile on my face I am a happy man.

ECCE HOMO? Pontius Pilate certainly spoke Latin, though in the Eastern Empire he probably spoke Greek. He told the assembled crowd, "Behold the man! (ECCE HOMO)... I find no cause to punish him." The crowd still cried "Crucify him!" Pilate, the greatest wuss in the Bible, gave in and ordered Jesus crucified. To annoy the crowd, he ordered the Cross to have INRI attached to it (IESUS NAZARENUS REX IUDIORUM), which stands for "Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews. When they complained, he said, "What I have written, I have written." This is of course from the last Gospel, by John, and John was by far the best author of the four Evangelists.

More Whit 11:38 AM  

Willie Nelson was the opener for the DMB at Fenway...and it is a concert I'll never forget (even with all the smoke in the air!). He is an old soul if there ever was one...he and Dave exemplified once again how music can take one to places words cannot.

mom 11:40 AM  

I agree with everything you wrote even tho' I'd read 6 Characters. Not clever and not fun, but I did complete it so that's also probably a negative since I usually get stumped in one or two places.

More Whit 11:42 AM  

Average Sunday time with barely average ahas and laughs. I enjoyed reading the blog far more than solving the puzzle.

Aketi 11:54 AM  

Loved seeing the CHIPMUNK as my OPENER into this puzzle. I've been to the Botanical Gardens four times this spring and each time those little cuties have been having a blast chasing each other through the Azalea gardens.

Yesterday we had a double D as an OPENER followed by DDAY again today. The CUPS have runneth over with the DDs.

HOVER also made an encore floating in this puzzle without it's board.

Does anybody drink KEFIR anymore? When I was in high school it was touted as a super food.

@Rex, you have to stop with the ice cream challenge or I'm going to end up obese. I've now looked up a plethora of recipes so I can FREEZE my own versions. If my son turns out to be a hater and won't consume some of what I make I'll have to take up sumo wrestling. I am tossing out the recipes with nuts, but the one with added pineapple sounded interesting. I think a better clue would have been"cult classic" world. It's sort of like Dr Pepper, with a small but devoted following.

Cass Garnet 12:04 PM  

I thought Shlomo was renouncing all his possessions and moving to Nepal

Stanley Hudson 12:12 PM  

This was o.k. for a Sunday. Solving experience greatly enhanced by a large, strong, very cold and very spicy Bloody Mary.

@old timer, have to respectfully disagree about the Gospel of John. The opening chapters are brilliant but Jesus's repetitive monologue at the Last Supper is a morass badly in need of an editor. I'll take Mark, sans the add-on material in chapter 16, any day.

Horrible wild fires here in NorCal with a number of homes and structures destroyed. Keep folks in your thoughts and, if so inclined, your prayers.

puzzlehoarder 12:20 PM  

Doing a Sunday puzzle on a tablet last night was a bad idea but I was at the firehouse and couldn't print it out. If you cut a credit card down to a square that's about how big the puzzle image is. It's amazing I can get it to respond to finger tapping at all. The solving on Sunday always seems like a slog to begin with. As for the puns like OFFER, just OFFAL.

Anonymous 12:29 PM  

Well rum raisin is my favorite ice cream, but no one else in the world really likes it so you can never find it anywhere. I saw a mention of it in an earlier comment...certainly it is not pooular with anyone but me. And my sister. Send us any you find! Cute puzzle, could not figure out mad dash because I spelled Orkan with an "e" (orken) though it seems to me that is an entirely made upt word and could be spelled any way you like.

Pirandello clue was clever.

Loren Muse Smith 12:39 PM  
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Carola 12:39 PM  

I'm in the minority who liked the puzzle, and perhaps a minority of one who thought it was great. I thought the puns were inspired - perhaps knowing the Pirandello title but not the more recent FELONIOUS MONKs had something to do with that.
I liked the anxiety corner of DONE FOR/ IN A FIX/ SECURITY FRET, and found some of the other grid neighbors appealing as well: LAND OF OZ over Hollywood's ANGELENO, ECCE HOMO over TRIREME (shades of Ben Hur), and the MIFFical KRONOS beside the TEEN WOLF.

Thank you, Will Nediger - this was a treat.

Loren Muse Smith 12:45 PM  

CHEAP FRILLS was the first one I saw, and I, of course, was quite happy with the idea. I’m with @Teedmn - this kind of theme never gets old for me.

There's a little more going on here in that the “th” sound has to be a voiceless “th” – so taking THAT, say, (voiced “th”) and changing it FAT doesn’t work within the restraints here: AIN’T FAT A SHAME for “ain’t that a shame” wouldn’t follow the pattern.

@Lewis – all your ideas totally work, and they’re great! I’ll add to yours with my “Oaf of Office.” But mine has the other “f” sound inteferring, so it’s not good. And it should be noted that none of the themers Mr. Nediger chose has another “th” or “f” sound (save the OF in 44D, and that’s forgivable imo).

First thought on the Utah group was “Amway.” Worked for me - I’ve hidden from those doorbell-ringing, tie-sporting Mormon missionaries as frantically as I have from Amway salesmen. And if I’m offending anyone who has done the two-year stint as a Mormon missionary – sorry. I pretty much won’t answer the door for anyone I think is trying to sell something.

Lake ORKNEY sounds like the place where Mork learned to water ski.

@Larry – I see your point about IS IT just ME, but I think without the “just” works fine, too. And as to your stand that the ME should be I because it’s a predicate nominative, I’ll direct you to my new soul mate, Kory Stamper, who can out whippersnapper me when it comes to language and language change. A very nice guy emailed me about this book and I gobbled it up. (@Tony – welcome to Rexworld. You’re smart to get a blue name. And if you make your email available, you might get some terrific book recommendations.) Hey, Curtis-of-the-book-recommendation fame - I realized after the fact that it was her video clip I showed my class when we were investigating the plural of octopus.

So, @Lewis, again. A sure sign that a theme is fun is when you try to come up with some of your own. I direct you to my avatar. This poor guy auditioned for the part of the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk but wasn’t hired because, well. . . you do the math.

Malsdemare 12:45 PM  

Sometimes that opening act is a stunner. When I was in college, Simon and Garfuncle opened for some one hit wonder band (I forget who which should tell you something), and years ago The Staples Singers opened for Diana Ross. Now Diana is a serious headliner, but the Staples are amazing. So you never know . . . And yes, Nancy, my hearing is shot, but oh what a wondrous way to lose it.

I thought FELONIOUS MONK was terrific, and I got a good chuckle out of SIX CHARACTERS IN SEARCH OF AN OFFER. I don't have an opinion on puns; there are people in my life who adore them and sometimes they (the puns) are awful. But the long ones that require convoluted setups are, imo, hysterical. I'd share one but those who hate puns, and those who hate long, off-topic posts, would not be happy.

Not too crazy about GUIDER, never heard of FROYO or FREY, and I had SHLEMO before SHLOMO. But I finished in okay time and it's always a delight to come here and hang out with friends for a little while.

Carole Shmurak 12:51 PM  

BAE?? Short for babe or baby? Who says this? How is it pronounced?

RooMonster 1:11 PM  

Hey All !
MIFF BUSTERS busted me pretty good. Couldn't stop thinking Michael Keaton, so a bid WOE there. Still unsure about MIFF? Did like it overall, although it got slig-like when I was trying to finish. Finally threw in the towel with empty squares. Couldn't get CAMEL/BALED/HOMO section. Had sugar, then cubes for CAMEL. Agree with clue being blargh-y. Also MIFF and TERS areas with blank squares left. Had kAfka for SATIE giving me no hope of getting anything worked out. Also FREEZEACcOrD, not sure what Threes Accord could mean! AMANA also not entering the ole brain. So a spotty DNF.

Was happy when I got CHIPMUNK though! Laughing at BRA again.

Lots of F's, 18 of them! Being part of the theme helps.

IS IT ME, ME FIRST
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Aging Hippie Chick 1:59 PM  

I saw Rod Stewart and Faces with the Doobie Brothers as the opener.

Also saw Genesis in a community college cafeteria.

old timer 2:19 PM  

I meant to say something about Theodore the CHIPMUNK. I think you have to be pushing 70 to remember the CHIPMUNKs. Fortunately, some random synapse in my brain clicked there. There aren't that many memorable Theodores other than Roosevelt and Geisel (the creator of the Dr. Seuss books).

As for John the Evangelist, point taken. The poetic opening passage of that Gospel was I suspect the work of others, and if John had his own congregation, it was very likely regularly used in his own services. But the final parts if the Gospel are IMO a work of genius -- and of the Evangelist was the Apostle John, note how the old man kept reminding everyone that *he* was the apostle Jesus loved best. Indeed, the other Gospels confirm that John and his brother James were, along with Peter, the ones Jesus did like best, and furthermore John was the youngest, surely a teenager when Jesus preached.

I used to go to the Fillmore back in the day. They usually had three bands: two who were well-known at least locally, who each performed twice, and the opening band which was, most often, totally awful in comparison. Although, you know, they were usually local and no doubt 100 or 150 among the audience were there because they were friends with the opening-act band members.

Masked and Anonymous 2:31 PM  

Ditherent. M&A likes ditherent. Even if the theme idea is an oldie but a goodie.

@RP: Just to be on the safe side, M&A went to the Cold Stone Creamry again last night. They still do not have the flavor in question. Not sure a picture of a masked dude with banana ice cream would make much of a photo gallery addition, however. Maybe if I lived in Paris.

MIFFBUSTERS was the hardest themer to bust into. Otherwise, reasonable eazy-E solvequest. staff weeject pick: BFF -- seems theme-related, in a sorta black sheep of the family way? Wow I bet that CHIPMUNK clue threw a lot of younger solvers. Fave desperado moment: GUIDE[R].

[K?]RONOS/[K?]EFIR?
TRIRE[M?]E/SHLO[M?]O?
Don't make m&e come down there, Shortzmeister.

Thanx, Mr. Nediger.

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ocanada73 2:59 PM  

Dad-humour person that I am (I'm in the ubiquitous Baby Boomer cohort, so there are still lots of us who are pleased with that), I quite enjoyed this puzzle. It made me laugh. But then, I know "6 Authors", and I DON'T know the other Thelonius Monk incarnations, so there you go. I liked 'security fret', agree with you on humps instead of lumps, and have no issue with toxicity. Love miff busters and freeze a crowd. I rarely get the pop culture references, so I was thrilled that there were none, but you see, I know that's my issue, not the issue for pop-culture laden puzzles. So what's good for the Baby Boomer isn't always good for the gander. And vice versa. Don't worry, though - like the dinosaurs, we'll be gone soon, and the puzzles will be more modern. Until you're the old geezer, and it's your turn to wax nostalgic!

pcardout 3:01 PM  

Come on Rex. You ARE a Philistine if you didn't know the Pirandello play, but the puzzle should always educate a bit, so consider yourself schooled and stop kvetching. Mythbusters was as important to future engineers as Harry Potter to future Classics majors and I thought it was a really cute pun. I liked all the puns. For people like us who love language, entertaining words like finagle are also a plus. I really enjoyed this puzzle!

Mohair Sam 3:22 PM  

Kinda agree with OFL today, although not quite as adamant. Of course I was never going to like a puzzle that reminded me of "Six Characters . . . . . .". Required reading in an elective course years ago. I'm with @Quasi in being surprised that someone in @Rex's position has never heard of Pirandello's play. Lucky dog.

Thanks to @Gill I for defending FENNEL, maybe my favorite veggie. KEFIR? What the heck is KEFIR? Drano before SNAKE messed us up for a while. I knew lycanthrope right off the bat, sure I did. I'll bet folks from the ORKNEY Islands hated "Mork and Mindy." And I will always confuse Rhonda and RENEE Fleming.

Hartley70 3:44 PM  

Rubin the Beagle is dreaming of an ice cream cone, but beware! It's not rum raisin. The TOXICITY of raisins to dogs is well documented.

Joe Dipinto 3:52 PM  

@old timer 2:19 -- I've always been partial to Theodore Bikel, actor (he originated the role of Capt. Von Trapp on Broadway, and had supporting roles in many films) and folksinger (co-founded the Newport Folk Festival and recorded many albums).

CDilly52 4:31 PM  

I lament that the movies failed to handle this character well, almost not at all. He's a favorite of mine as well.

CDilly52 4:36 PM  

No more often than one would say "decider."

CDilly52 4:43 PM  

Faster than usual despite my near sleeess state with family emergency that took me out of town for a while and put me back In the "lurker" category.

@LMS and @Lewis, thank you for the laughs! Oh so clever. I liked FELONIOUS ... and MIFF ... best and never tire of humor. Overall, fair fare for me. Who enjoys a good pun? It is I, ... for one anyway.

CDilly52 4:44 PM  

Sleepless .... see? Need some zzzzzs.

RooMonster 4:56 PM  

I didn't like my beard at first, then it grew on me.

Har, corny pun for y'all. :-)

RooMonster

chefbea 5:16 PM  

@rooMonster - great one I love puns

Thomaso808 5:26 PM  

@Carol Shmurak as to BAE, check out this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/12/the-lamentable-death-of-bae/384086/
Interesting that in the constructor notes on Xwordinfo, Will Nediger says that when he submitted the puzzle, the word BAE had not yet appeared in the NYT puzzle, but that by the time his puzzle was published it had already appeared twice. Double interesting that he must have written that commentary before BAE's third appearance just this week on Thursday. So he's actually fourth. All appearances of BAE have been in 2017. The article above predicts that because BAE has hit the mainstream and big brands like Denny's and IHOP are using it in commercials, the death of the word is imminent. There's even a new Twitter account called Brands Saying BAE to mock them.

Two Ponies 6:09 PM  

I didn't know bae either so I just now looked it up.
Adding B to say babe is so difficult?
It doesn't even add a syllable for Pete's sake.
Too much work? Epitome of laziness.
Perhaps it is useful to make others who do not know this slang feel excluded.
I am happy to be excluded. I'm certain I am not missing a thing.

Rob 6:10 PM  

Mix of great and terrible clues. CAMEL lumps stuck out the most as obviously bad, AFAR also pretty terrible. SPELT clue was great, and there was at least one more I really liked but I can't find it now. MIFF BUSTERS best themer, double-down revealer worst. FELONIOUS MONK was old hat when I was in high school, which was at latest over 15 years ago, so whatever its merits, I think it's pretty stale.

I'm pleased that the themers consistently replaced the same sound with the same sound. Which they always should, but you can't always get what you want. Overall I enjoyed it despite the warts.

Andy 6:22 PM  

Oh, now I see. Silly me- I was thinking about a classical music concert.

Andy 6:23 PM  

Totally agree. Dreadful.

Andy 6:28 PM  

Read through every comment and still I'm like "wtf is felonious monk....or whatever the intended pin is?????"

Andy 6:28 PM  

Read through every comment and still I'm like "wtf is felonious monk....or whatever the intended pin is?????"

Andy 6:28 PM  

Totally agree. Dreadful.

1820 Stone Colonial House 6:49 PM  

A garment industry (schmata trade) friend would joke that his great idea for a Shlomo of Como designer label was not playing well with retailers. It was fun to see old Shlomo show up in the Times puzzle.

Nancy 6:57 PM  

To every Californian on this blog -- GILL, mathgent, Stanley Hudson, Ellen S., and all the rest I'm forgetting: please stay safe! I just watched the evening news, and saw how devastating the fires continue to be, along with the absolutely ghastly weather -- which is playing a huge role, of course. It must be awful right now from the standpoint of physical comfort as well as safety, and I just hope that everything improves for you all, and very quickly. Should any of you decide you don't want to deal with it anymore and want to come to NYC, I'll be happy to entertain you.

Anonymous 6:59 PM  

Rex is never happy. I would love to see an example of a puzzle that he loves.
I thought this one was difficult, but doable. There was very little junk anywhere in the fill which I found refreshing. Some of the clues sent me in the wrong direction (flat e.g.). Pretty much liked all of it.

Anonymous 7:25 PM  

Haters gonna hate. That's what Sharp do.

Anonymous 7:39 PM  

I really liked this puzzle, only missed the m and n in amana, a utopian company made ovens? Or am I missing something here?

Barry 7:44 PM  

Aren't computer disks always spelled with a K? Short for diskette?

GILL I. 9:20 PM  

@Nancy....What a thoughtful post. I think we have to include @old timer and @BarbieBarbie--you in California? I know there are others. ACME lives in SFO and it's cool there. We might head for Half Moon Bay; it's cool as well and so far no fires near it.
California gets these fires every year. It's disheartening to say the least.
I wonder if someone would lend me a jet to fly to New York so that @Nancy and all of us can drink some Manhattan's.....! :-)

Anonymous 10:13 PM  

Nice to have a BFF who is also a BAE

Anonymous 10:15 PM  

Also don't get how someone travels AFAR?

semioticus (shelbyl) 11:07 PM  

Rex hadn't heard of "Six Characters in Search of an Author," and I hadn't heard of Felonious Monk. So I actually laughed out loud on that one. MIFFBUSTERS was also very clever and fresh, I think.

My problem with this puzzle was mostly the cluing. AFAR and GUIDER didn't really make sense. I think there were a couple more that bugged me, but anyway, at least some themers were fun.

Anonymous 11:12 PM  

He loves any puzzle by. a black constructor 'cause he's woke.

Urban Dictionary 11:26 PM  

Bae
before anyone else
Boy: I love you bae
#babe #boo #lover #significant other #baby

Prancing Fop 12:24 AM  

Does anyone remember "Don't Call Me Daughter"?

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Aha! DEET! I was trying so hard to make a Bite Stopper be a DIET. Well, it kinda is.

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Anonymous 12:48 PM  

Miffbusters = Mythbusters?
I still don't get it.
Can someone explain, please?

Koshkonong 3:46 PM  


Anon 12:48, "Mythbusters" was a popular television show that ran from '03-'16.

To "miff" means to annoy, and each mentioned actor's first name was "Buster".

The Ridger, FCD 10:37 AM  

It's a dative, not a predicate nominative. Like "woe is me".

Anonymous 11:36 AM  

@old timer I must include Theodore "Beaver" Cleaver

Burma Shave 12:06 PM  

BAWDY SECURITYFRET

RENEE and KAREN were BORED and CLEARly NAIVE,
INSEARCHOFANOFFER, yet AFRAID they'd conceive.
AMAN,A MATURE one ASSUAGES,"INAFIX ORAL'S a METHOD not worst,
but part of the CURE'S what you NICE girls have DONEFOR MEFIRST."

--- SHLOMO "FRANK" FINAGLE

rondo 1:05 PM  

Norse goddess Sif, regarding her husband's drinking: "Are you DONEFOR?"
Reply: "Nej, MEFIRST." Har.

Couldn't have been too tough with nary an ERROR in a grid of Sunday proportions. Mildly amusing themers, but yeah, FELONIOUSMONK was a punchline back in my youth playing HIFIS.

This puz is littered with yeah BAE BAEs like RENEE Fleming and KAREN Carpenter and LARA (Logan?) but I'll defer to Rebecca De MORNAY, one-time fiancée of Leonard Cohen. While filming the video for "Closing Time", the director wasn't quite happy with Leonard's expressionless mug despite his backup singers' best efforts. Ms. De MORNAY, not being NAIVE, fixed that by performing a BAWDY dance behind the cameras on what became the last take. You will notice Leonard practically BEAM. Ms. De MORNAY a MIFFBUSTER indeed. Yeah BAE BAE! Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-0lV5qs1Qw

Well, that was ALONG and AFAR detour. I seemed to be AFIRE as I SPELT everything correctly and had AFIELD day as if time was in SHLOMO. You BETCHA.


Diana,LIW 1:33 PM  

Had a couple of spelling lookups, but otherwise, smooth.

Does anyone hear an echo in here? Where have we (recently) heard
SKYE
FELIX
BEVEL
SAW
IZOD
Bilbo B
Austin P
Heartbeat/SEC
Not to mention AFIRE/ABUTS/AFAR Canadian - eh?

I didn't look at the title or author, so the sussing was fun for me.

"Too much old stuff, not enough new stuff, unless it's stuff I don't know." C'mon. This was ONAPAR with many a Sunday.

Say @Rondo - weren't you the OPENER for Cash once upon a time? Hope your audience was not impatient.

Give me a pun and I'm DONEFOR.

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

spacecraft 1:51 PM  

I don't agree at all with OFL's downers--except the hump vs. lump thing. I thought the themers were funny, and after confirming the TH/F switch with CHEAPFRILLS, all I needed for the 3-44-down entry was SIX. So, easy for a Sunday, with touches of medium here and there.

One of my pet peeves (there seem to be so many!) is the totally superfluous letter at the end of a word. My favorite rant is "crispy," which does NOTHING to change "crisp." But close behind is "GUIDER." Excuse me, when is a GUIDER not a guide? A pox on extra letters!

An OPENER is a kitchen utensil; fans wait during an opening act.

Puzzle is generally filled well, till we get to the bottom, where there's a "re-verb" outbreak. -fuel, -lit, -fit. Our constructor may have been getting tired by this point--or maybe he was just INAFIX.

Never heard of FROYO, or BAE. The former I can understand: FROzen YOgurt. But BAE?? How on earth did that ever come into existence? Slang is sounded, not SPELT. So, "bay?" Where's the sense? Wait, did some dude in a rush try to type "babe" and miss the second B? What is going on?? Please make some kind of sense!

My DOD is KAREN Black, a very NICE-looking raven-haired actress. AFAR be it for me to score worse than a birdie for any grid with SPACE-X in it!

rain forest 2:11 PM  

Great post, @Rondo. I'll have to watch that Closing Time video, again. You were indeed on fire (AFIRE) there.

This was your standard Sunday with a suitable, if transparent, theme that nonetheless amused. I figured @Rex wouldn't like this one, and judging by the comments, I was right. Irascible curmudgeon.

Realtors. Having dealt extensively with them for the last year, I enjoyed the central themer. When you are a seller, they seem to be working for the buyer, and vice versa when you are a buyer. I know they are trying to make a living, and have to pay for those Benzes and Jaguars they all drive, but mostly I think they are bloodsucking wastes of space.

Puzzle was free of dreck, and pretty tight overall. Liked it.

Btw, like California, up here, British Columbia is on fire as over 200 fires have caused 30,000 people to evacuate several towns in the central interior of the province. And it's just July.

rain forest 2:14 PM  

Forgot to mention that 4 years ago my girlfriend and another couple went to see a Bob Dylan concert in Vancouver. The opener: Mark Knopfler! Suffice it to say he and his band were tremendous, while Dylan was a huge disappointment. We could hardly understand a word he "sang", and the tunes were indiscernible.

AnonymousPVX 2:59 PM  

Got the solve without much enjoyment, I don't really like the "gimmick" puzzles which now seem to be required, especially on a Sunday. Meh.

rondo 5:05 PM  

@rainy - that was a damn fine OPENER there. Knopfler is maybe best-known for his guitar playing, but has written great songs as well like Boom Like That and Cleaning MY Gun. I've seen him in person, could listen to that stuff all night.

ocanada73 5:19 PM  

Dad-humour person that I am (I'm in the ubiquitous Baby Boomer cohort, so there are still lots of us who are pleased with that), I quite enjoyed this puzzle. It made me laugh. But then, I know "6 Authors", and I DON'T know the other Thelonius Monk incarnations, so there you go. I liked 'security fret', agree with you on humps instead of lumps, and have no issue with toxicity. Love miff busters and freeze a crowd. I rarely get the pop culture references, so I was thrilled that there were none, but you see, I know that's my issue, not the issue for pop-culture laden puzzles. So what's good for the Baby Boomer isn't always good for the gander. And vice versa. Don't worry, though - like the dinosaurs, we'll be gone soon, and the puzzles will be more modern. Until you're the old geezer, and it's your turn to wax nostalgic!

leftcoastTAM 12:57 AM  

Long, busy day. Up and down, in and out, off and on.

One error: NEWoL/FENNoL instead of the "E". Simple theme, neat execution.

Favorites: FELONIOUSMONK, SIXCHARACTERS....

Too late, but for the record.

Anonymous 12:53 PM  

Love that episode of Twilight Zone, which I watched on Netflix recently.
"The Purple Rose of Cairo" is a Woody Allen film based on "Six Characters in Search of an Author." A favorite film of mine.

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